24 Ağustos 2015 Pazartesi

Re: [TVHGC Members] Vincent's Accident

Sorry to hear about your incident Vincent, hope you mend quick....

There has been a lot already said here. I think a whistle and dental floss (for picking up ropes) are fairly standard kit items these days to have in your flight deck and small and compact.  Also keep an emergency contact card and site list (grid refs) printed in your pack somewhere, that quickly let the guys on the hill get the services to me.  Chris produced the link you can print from the website.  Regards the whistle if folks don't hear it then that's a different matter and your only option is to phone someone or if that's not possible call the emergency services.  I recently purchased a Spot device for landing out in case of problems but in most cases we have phone signal but I was thinking just in the off chance that wasn't available.  Strangely enough that was days before my accident ;-) bad karma....

Regards PLF or hard landings in general is a good idea not to have things stuffed in pockets or around your person if you can...put them somewhere else.  They tend to be the first things to impact however in my case I didn't have anything in my pockets but as Richard said in my case it was either the quick out caribiner or flight deck kit which did the most damage.  Saying that doing little things like moving bunt instruments away from your body will help.

Nik.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Paul Dowsett <googlemail-personal@netaxiom.net> wrote:
I tried to change the subject when I replied to Vincent, but I'm afraid it didn't move the conversation to a new thread, Richard. Apologies for that.

"As always, tell me what accident you are going to have and I will tell you what protective equipment you should be wearing/carrying ;-)"

There are genuine concerns about emergency whistles not being effective and equipment causing injuries, but I couldn't spot any constructive suggestions about either of them in your post, Richard. ;p

Large canisters are not practical and, as you say, could easily cause injury.  I only did a quick search for the mini-horn; at least it is small/pocket-sized, but I'm certain there are better, more suitable, products out there (maybe you have some ideas?)

Obviously, people will no-doubt use their common sense (without us needing to spell it out for them), and not keep items in their pockets if they have better places available.  I don't see a solution to flight decks, instruments and, even, quick-outs (which are a safety device in themselves) causing injuries, however.  If there are ways to mitigate these risks, then I'd be interested in hearing them.





On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:15:16 AM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
All

I would just like to point out that it was Nik's accident that kicked off this thread and it seems to have moved on to the point where people are suggesting carrying Air Horns etc in a convenient place in their kit in case of emergency. 

It would appear that Nik's main injury, a ruptured spleen was most likely caused by either his flight deck and instruments out his quick out karabiners. 

Please consider what emergency kit you are going to carry, whether it is accessible in an accident, and if you are going to carry it, if it could cause problems in itself. 

As always, tell me what accident you are going to have and I will tell you what protective equipment you should be wearing/carrying ;-) 

Cheers 

Richard 

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On 24 Aug 2015, at 10:09, Paul Dowsett <googlemai...@netaxiom.net> wrote:

Hi Vincent

I'm really sorry to hear about your accident and injury - I really hope you are quickly feeling better.

It's a good point that whistles may not be loud or noticeable enough to alert people to an emergency.  A gas horn, as has been suggested, may not be convenient, as I doubt it would fit in a pocket and may not be reliable if carried, but not used, for years.

I found this, which may be worth considering. 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plastimo-Mini-Trump-Horn-safety/dp/B000WISPYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440406533&sr=8-1&keywords=mini+trump (includes reviews)

All the best with the recovery, and I hope to fly with you again soon.

Paul



On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 1:16:22 PM UTC+1, vincent wrote:
Hi all

Hot on the recent accident that happened to Nick I  fractured my wrist last Friday during a landing attempt on a site I have flown a few times before. (IOW) The simple truth to my accident was pilot error believing that the wind was coming up the slope as per take off 30mins before, and not realising until the last few moments that I was coming in to fast possibly arriving down wind losing height quicker than expected and having to land below ridge level.

Evasive last minute turn and a rolled landing saved the day, all be it with a fractured wrist which will mean a few weeks contemplating the reasons for the accident.

The day was thermic and a better pilot would have made more of the conditions however not enjoying the flight I made the decision to land, wind indicators in the landing area would have helped but as I had flown the sight before I did not see any reason to suppose the wind had veered that much and made a normal landing approach for this site.

There were two other pilots on the hill at the time, one just packing away as he had other things to do and another just watching not there to fly. When I started paragliding it was suggested that a whistle attached to my harness may alert others if injured, sound advice which I followed.
When it became clear that I needed help,  I blew the whistle numerous times very loudly eventually the spectating pilot came to my help.

Interestingly no one had heard the whistle and he had only come down to tell me everybody was leaving the hill. I guess the question is what more could be done to alert others in these circumstances.

Fly safe.


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On 19/08/2015 18:18, Tim Pentreath wrote:
On 19 August 2015 at 18:06, francis rich <fra...@jfdiuk.com> wrote:

I am unclear how those of us seeking site guidance are helped by being told to fly if it "feels right".  That sounds similar to "take a punt" or "what's the worst that can happen".

Not at all. Imagine you're on holiday in Scotland where you can pretty much take off from anywhere - you look at a map, see a hill/mountain that looks suitable, hike up it, assess the conditions at your take off area, maybe walk around a bit if it's a bowl to check the true wind direction, and if it "feels right" (ie. on the hill, not too gusty etc), you take off. Simples. No need for a site guide, compass or wind meter. If you're not happy then you walk down again. If you're not experienced enough to decide for yourself then you stick to regular sites where others are flying.

Tim

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