Interesting viewpoint Bob.
Yet a defined limit is stated in the site guide. I assumed it had some basis in safe use of a site.
It is also a requirement under BHPA site risk assessment. Would it not contribute to the evidence base for the AAIB the insurers and the Coroner?
On Aug 14, 2015 11:00 AM, "Bob Johnston" <bobj1966@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
-- --Surely site wind direction depends on too many factors to simply state a defined limit, 30 degrees off the hill might be ok on a smooth evening but add in strong wind, thermals or both and maybe 15 off is too much, the guide can only ever be a guide and can't replace on the spot judgement, how ever we are all human so all make mistakes, we can't see the air so there is always going to be a margin of error, it's trying to squeeze that margin that sometimes results in problems.We all want to learn how to minimise risks but it is a adventure sport, never fool yourself that it isn't.
Sent from my iPhoneGreat post Carl. You explain our dilemma very well. We want to fly, have expended huge effort to be there but is it safe?
And that amounts to a best guess at the probability. A gamble on the odds.Every site in the guide has a wind direction range given. This range is evolved from (sometimes bitter) experience. Pilots often carry wind speed gauges and have a "personal limit" they apply but merely guess at the wind angle.
Nik acknowledges the wind angle was, perhaps, towards the stated limit for Liddington. It might be helpful for the sites officer to know whether Liddington limits now need review or, conversely, for pilots to have it confirmed that exceeding the stated limit takes them into pioneering territory.
Risks increase exponentially beyond the known limits and are raised by the power of the number of limits exceeded. So risk approaches certainty very soon after passing those limits.
Carl, please continue to watch them fly when your own assessment keeps you on the ground. You don't have a "comfort zone" that needs "expanding" you have a healthy survival instinct and a sound understanding of probability :-)
On Aug 14, 2015 9:23 AM, "Carl Foster" <pedwarpimp@gmail.com> wrote:--Thanks for the write up Nik. I'm glad to hear it wasn't any worst and you are recovering well and quickly by the sounds.
It's always hard when here hear about an incident especially when it's some one you've met and someone you know is very current and capable and safety concious as you come across from the role you play in TVHGC.
I think it is helpful to the person who has had the incident to talk about it and very helpful for others to learn from.
A question I ask myself and others a lot is how do you know/find/increase your comfort zones safely?. I have sat on the hill many times when others have flown and had great flights, while I'm not liking the conditions for one reason or another and then beat myself up on way home for not trying but this is a simple reminder that this is not always a bad thing.
A quote I heard while on a mountain biking course was "never say one more go". I've tried building that in to my subconcious, although it may not always fit with paragliding I do find it very relevant and useful for my flying as many times I've caught myself on days which I'm trying to get away from the hill in less than ideal Conditions or particularly in the tow environment. So I've tried to acknowledge a little earlier I'm getting tired or to the end of my patience, energy mindset or what ever it maybe and tell myself I'll have a few more goes, but might only have the one extra attempt, it helps me keep an open mind and not focused on taking any more risks than any other flight thinking it's my last attempt. (All or nothing so to speak)
Anyway I didn't plan on typing so much but as always trying to place some relevance on these incidents and how I can learn from them. If my thoughts opinions help others then even better.
Look forward to seeing more of your flying posts and videos of you flying in the near future.
Carl.
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