Flymasters are very good at displaying airspace providing you have set them up correctly: The screen is pin sharp and can be seen clearly in the brightest sunlight; Airspace can be shown as black or grey lines; the user can edit the file* to show or hide stuff; The vario can be set to swap to the airspace page if preset thresholds are broached etc.etc.
I suspect you had the warning and zoom states at 5m or similar, such that once you had approached or penetrated the airspace, the boundary was off screen before the vario or you had reacted, or you were locked onto the thermalling or some other screen.
* Not the proprietary world.fr? file, but a single country one.
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From: David Molden <davidmoldenchen@gmail.com>
Date: 10/06/2015 12:27 (GMT+00:00)
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] XC Soar paragliding airspace file - advice/help?
This is all about my instrumentation. I checked the map, and always carry one, so I was aware of the airspace. My error was that having loaded the airspace file on my Flymaster, and set it to trigger if approaching airspace that it would show me a screen I could actually use. It seems Flymaster is pretty crap at airspace. Part of the problem I expect was me messing with the Flymaster in flight trying to get up something that showed where I was in relation to airspace … and in the process ended up in it.
I have learned that I need a better gadget for this. Don't use Flymaster for Airspace.
On 10 Jun 2015, at 12:21, Tim Pentreath <tim.pentreath@gmail.com> wrote:Hi David, one thing I'd say is even had you had managed to squeeze past Thruxton (I assume to the east), you'd then have had to deal with Middle Wallop, which is slightly further to the east too... So my message to you is to start avoiding airspace much earlier - ie. be aware of the bigger picture. Once you get pinned up against airspace you're generally doomed, unless you get lucky.When I'm using FlySkyHy, I have it zoomed out a lot, and only zoom in when I get close:<image.png>NB. I wasn't actually avoiding South Cerney which was actually open on Sunday.HTH
TimOn 10 June 2015 at 11:17, David Molden <davidmoldenchen@gmail.com> wrote:Yep, my flight log on g/earth shows I just clipped the edge of Thruxton ATZ. I was the only pilot in the sky at the time, so I had no experienced gaggle to lead the way like there was on Sunday. Will practice making 3D visualisations of airspace maps.On 10 Jun 2015, at 10:51, Chris Williams <chr15williams@btinternet.com> wrote:For a quick overview of the airspace you mention I followed Dave Cox's advice earlier in this thread and downloaded skydemonlight. It's free and shows a very clear version of the basic airspace information you need.<image001.jpg>From: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nik Valiris
Sent: 09 June 2015 17:02
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] XC Soar paragliding airspace file - advice/help?I don't think airspace was an issue as it FL65+ where you flew.
You might want to check your track though as you were close to or inside Thurxton ATZ and just short 1.8km from Middle Wallop ATZ.On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:28 PM, David Molden <davidmoldenchen@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks for the tips Martin. I actually thought I kept outside the airspace as the 'Dist to CTR' never reached zero - I used this to try and fly clear, but the poor screen could well be down to settings. Maybe I thermalled up into airspace rather than flying into it?I'll be flying mainly outside the UK for much of the summer now with little or no airspace to worry about so I'll update my instruments when I get back. Possibly a Kobo although interested to see the Vertica 3 when it's available. I think a separate airspace gadget is definitely the way to go.On 9 Jun 2015, at 16:02, Martin Butcher <m1rt2n@hotmail.com> wrote:David Flymasters do display the airspace map (But it isn't brilliant). If it beeped at you, you were heading towards it. You were probably zoomed in so much that the boarder was outside the screen area. Try pressing the up/down arrows to zoom in/out. Or possible that the warning distance was too great.However as Mike has said it is much easier to use a Kobo as it is so much clearer.I have a Live and a Kobo, both give me warnings. I set the Kobo warning distance further away to give advance warning and the flymaster to warn me if I am about to enter.Martin
From: davidmoldenchen@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] XC Soar paragliding airspace file - advice/help?
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:16:46 +0100
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com
Thanks Mike - sounds sensible. I'm already thinking Kobo or Vertiga.On 9 Jun 2015, at 14:42, Mike Humphries <mike.humphries@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:Hi David - I found trying to do everything on one instrument impossible, I use the Flymaster Nav for logging my flight / vario / waypoints / thermal assistant and either a garmin or kobo for airspace, with the right scale the kobo shows me exactly where I am in relation to airspace and gives me plenty of warning without the distraction of alarms and changing pages...cheers...Mike H
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