I concur, how about Turn it in🙄😇
Regards
Seventeen emails discussing turn direction... Hilarious 😄
On Saturday, 16 April 2016, francis rich <francis@jfdiuk.com> wrote:Only relevant in that it is based on the same principle of braking right when turning left to avoid conflict is preferable to avoid braking further right and spinning. I thought that was clear from the context but I maybe should have made that more explicit. Only relevant in that, like circuits, the default turn is left unless other considerations outweigh that imperative.Southern Club? Is that the one that has the most mid-air collisions?Thermalling at ridge height is not thermalling at all, in my opinion it is "getting in the way".It amounts to the age old "I am thermalling so I need you to adopt your airlaw to suit my need" mindset of the "entitled".all just my opinion of course.The one argument I was expecting to be raised and one that may have some traction, is when the wind is off to the left (Simon has alluded to it and may elaborate?) In that case the downwind run would bring the pilot "dangerously close to the ridge" and so would be better to be doing the downwind futher out. This is variation on the theme put forward by Richard.Coombe is just such a hill where the best conditions are "off to the left a bit"? So it is understandable that the right turn edict would be made here.EXCEPT that those arguments (both Richard's and Simon's) attempt to make 360 turns that bring a pilot close to the ridge less dangerous.WTF are those pilots doing 360s that low for? Oh, yes, sorry they are "thermalling".--On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Richard Chambers <rchambersuk@gmail.com> wrote:Thermalling is nothing like airfield circuits so I don't know how that is relevant? Thermalling right allows you to follow airlaw on the ridge without leaving the thermal. This is why the Southern club (the busiest in the country) has a right turn rule on their sites, it reduces conflict between thermalling and ridge soaring.
I'm happy to turn either way in a thermal, every thermal seems to have its own preferred spin so you have to be flexible, but I still maintain that unless the wind is significantly off the hill, right turn is safer.
Richard
--On Sat, 16 Apr 2016, 11:19 Nik Valiris, <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:The BCC Round on Combe Gibbet is now 'confirmed' tomorrow and the thermalling TURN direction at the hill will be RIGHT (ie. clockwise). ALL pilots should adhere to this where possible whilst abiding by air law and collision avoidance rules. Anyone not doing this may expect a few shouts from pilots as last year.Such as storm over right and left who'd of thought it ;-)Anyhow just so the message doesn't get lost:There will be 6 teams of a minimum of 6 pilots each competing of varying ability from CP upwards, don't expect all pilots to have left the hill early as in other competitions. So 36 - 50 pilots approximately.TVHGC Team: Anyone CP or above who would like to attend the TVHGC Team please contact our captain Mike Manners comps@tvhgc.co.uk
Add your name and details to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gd4_0MWQzAEbD-Q_8UpwPCvu5J6DxcJ3JsBJR33suQI/edit#gid=0 check out the informational page https://www.facebook.com/groups/789294757819050/?fref=ts--On 16 April 2016 at 11:05, francis rich <francis@jfdiuk.com> wrote:If I am left I am right.--On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Mike Coupe <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:In this instance you're correct (the being amazed bit) :-)
Sent from my iPhoneBut I will be amazed if it is me.--On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:50 AM, francis rich <francis@jfdiuk.com> wrote:Mike you need to say "Which Rich":-)On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Mike Coupe <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:Agree totally Rich.
Sent from my iPhoneIf you thermal left and drift back onto the ridge you have to break right out of the thermal to avoid traffic on the ridge. If you are turning right in the thermal you can usually continue to turn right in the thermal, maybe tighten or widen the turn to avoid conflict.
If the wind is off the hill it is probably more important to set turn direction so that you are flying upwind as you turn towards the ridge.
You turn left to make it easier to break right makes no sense.
Richard
--On Sat, 16 Apr 2016, 08:43 francis rich, <francis@jfdiuk.com> wrote:Thanks Dave. It has to be somebody...................................... And he will if you are repentant.X F--On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:36 AM, dave cox <dilligaf888@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:Francis
Why is is always you? They have called right turns, just accept it like everybody else has. There is no argument.
Lord, give me strength............
Sent from my iPadRich,Much as I hate to get dragged into your argument.... I'm going to anyway. The choice of left or right turns with cooperating gliders is largely arbitrary, however if you are going to make an argument wrt air law then right turns would be the most sensible option. A non-cooperating aircraft coming upon a turning glider would naturally turn right and, since the turning glider is already going right then collision is less likely.But, as I said, it's arbitrary as we're almost static and largely unmanoeuvrable compared to most aircraft.Rgds, Nick S
Sent from my iPhone--It always is if you put it to vote. But in a confliction if turning right already to have to brake emergency right to deconflict = spin. An informed electorate gets the government it deserves? Good job its raining ;-)
On Friday, April 15, 2016, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
--Unfortunately its RIGHT by consensus ;-)
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On 15 April 2016 at 17:32, francis rich <francis@jfdiuk.com> wrote:
Turn direction should always be left. makes no sense to choose otherwise.Boom.--
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Jon Appleton <jon.apple@gmail.com> wrote:
--A BCC round has been called for this Sunday at Combe. The BCC is a UK based competition for paragliding pilots of all shapes and sizes, focusing on CP pilots who are taking their first XC's.
The hill will of course remain open to TVHGC members on the day, but it is worth noting:
The site will be busy – expect upwards of 60 or more additional pilots on the hill. So if you are planning to fly, do your usual safety checks: checking it is safe to launch and fly.
The comp will pick a turn direction. Find out what this is, and stick to the specified direction even if you are not flying in the comp.
Consider flying from another site. Combe remains open, but why not try Liddington as a alternative site that should be much quieter.
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