26 Eylül 2016 Pazartesi

Re: [TVHGC Members] TAG Farnborough and Collapses

All,
I appreciate that this is clogging inboxed but it is important.

I intend to lead on the class g squeeze and that the reduction to 4500 ft is an effective closure of this route for all our members.

Could someone please put an effective and eloquent email together explaining that if this were a footpath on the ground it would not be so easy to shut. We have a right to roam that a few privileged people in bizjets should not take away for the sake of a more mellow descent or 2 mins less in the air!

Thanks,
Nick

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On 26 Sep 2016, at 16:32, Simon H <sheadford1@gmail.com> wrote:

Farnborough just won't go away quietly will it. I would love to know  what (and who's) set of values leads them to think that this level of airspace grab is in any way justified. They want to be 'London Farnborough'... so let them join LAMP instead of setting themselves apart as some kind of special case. Dark (ie wealthy) forces are still afoot I suspect.

S


On 26 Sep 2016 16:15, "Michael Coupe" <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link Nick. He had his hands everywhere to keep the glider above his head I think. It looks exaggerated because the brake lines are not routed through the pulleys. 

The major error here of course was to take off, but he is one of the best acro pilots in the world, so perhaps he can get away with things the rest of us can't…

Mike


On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:48, Nick smith <glidingnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

 

Firstly a short clip from youtube for you http://youtu.be/2a0hoBAYK3M. While this chap may have had his hands all over the place during and after launch he did the right thing after getting this full frontal and allowed the wing to recover and fly him away from the hill. He was also lucky to get no rotation. I had an asymmetric on full speedbar (proper pulley to pulley) which rotated me through 180 degrees while in Spain the other week. My SIV training in 2014 helped with my initial and follow up actions and I'm now booked in for another SIV course early next year. If anyone is interested in joining me on the course just let me know (it's fun, honest!).

I took a 100% full frontal collapse on a takeoff with 45 degree cross wind and very turbulent and strong conditions. Filmed by Vlad Magditch

 Now, down to business…. FARNBOROUGH UPDATE

 

Act now to do your part in ensuring Farnborough don't stop us XC flying to the South Coast!!! Please, please write to them and tell them what you think of their proposals, whether your approach is well reasoned, emotional or just a plain rant let them know what you think. Every e-mail they receive will count in our favour, the closing date for your comments is 2 Nov. Use the format:

 

 

Subject: Airspace Consultation
Your Name
Your address
Your comments

 

I will be making a comment on behalf of the Club but I would value your input so please do call for a chat or e-mail me atsafety@tvhgc.co.uk .

 

The BHPA have sent this out, please read as much as you can in order to understand the issues:

 

TAG are still looking for considerable controlled airspace (CAS) around Farnborough.  Their first consultation document (03Feb2014) and its two associated reports (29Aug2014 and 03Jul2015) have been joined by another consultation document.  All four can be found on
This latest consultation closes on 02Nov2106, whether you responded to the previous consultation or not please consider doing so to this one.
An interesting study into the July 2015 proposal submitted by TAG to the CAA was carried out by FASVIG, whilst it doesn't mention our activities it details some interesting aspects on TAG's proposals.  It can be found at
The BHPA will be responding again to TAG pretty much along the same lines as in 2014:
  • The CAS will be effectively closed to us thus limiting our flying
  • There is a complete lack of an assessment as to the implications for those aircraft that will be displaced from the proposed airspace
  • The number of aircraft remaining out of the CAS will increase collision risks for all in the surrounding Class G airspace
  • TAG's own figures talk of an "average per hour weekday" of currently 1.13 flights and 1.56 in 2019.  This amount of CAS for so few movements is obscene and risks setting a precedent for other CAS applications
  • TAG's proposals should be integrated into the SE England CAS project (called LAMP), not tagged on afterwards

Many thanks, and I look forward to seeing you at the Swan next Wednesday (5 Oct).
Cheers,
Nick

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