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RE: [TVHGC Members] Plains thermalling trip to Dordogne, October.

Thanks Francis – I'll stay at John's then. Can you txt his contact details to me – 0777 613 8701

Martin

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Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] Plains thermalling trip to Dordogne, October.

Hello Martin, If you are there at the same time you are most welcome to join in. I guess in that case a modest guiding fee would be appropriate?

Others are doing similar.

I would like to encourage the use of John's place for accommodation as he is the local "fixer" of the flying venue(s) and paramotor routes and land outs for us.

Francis

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Martin Shaw <martinshaw@tesco.net> wrote:

Dear Francis,

Thanks for your email. I'm tempted to drive down for the last week in Oct to practice with my paramotor and use you to get a winch rating. Also to do a bit of flying. I'd make my own arrangements for accommodation. Would this be alright?

Best wishes,

Martin Shaw

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Sent: 28 September 2016 22:57
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I'm going down to Charante/Dordogne 19th Oct to 31st. Taking the winch and trying out a new site, with two 600m grass runways dedicated paragliding/paramotoring field. Place called Villebois. Staying at John Cooper's gite in Combiers. If anyone fancies a trail blazing trip to fly the plains and extend the season I have some places in the car. Travel cost would be £100 including ferry (overnight) and accommodation is 32.50 a night in a shared room, self catering or meals extra. No charge for the winching (except shared petrol to run it) as this is a setting-it-up trip. If it works we will be offering it as a flying holiday venue next year for individuals, groups and schools/guides. I was there in August and it was phenomenal with good lift every day from 10:30 onwards!! Flew every day for two weeks. Will also be taking paramotors and can offer paramotor conversion training during the 10 days we are there. Sorry no hang gliders this time as I am only experienced in PG winching. If you don't have a tow rating we can do your training and sign you off. Andy Shaw may use this venue for his Thermal Chasers and may join us later in the week if so he is a HG winchman. The venue is one hour from Dune de Pyla if you like that sort of thing.

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Re: [TVHGC Members] Plains thermalling trip to Dordogne, October.

Hello Martin, If you are there at the same time you are most welcome to join in. I guess in that case a modest guiding fee would be appropriate?

Others are doing similar.

I would like to encourage the use of John's place for accommodation as he is the local "fixer" of the flying venue(s) and paramotor routes and land outs for us.

Francis

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Martin Shaw <martinshaw@tesco.net> wrote:

Dear Francis,
Thanks for your email. I'm tempted to drive down for the last week in Oct to practice with my paramotor and use you to get a winch rating. Also to do a bit of flying. I'd make my own arrangements for accommodation. Would this be alright?
Best wishes,
Martin Shaw

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Sent: 28 September 2016 22:57
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Subject: [TVHGC Members] Plains thermalling trip to Dordogne, October.

I'm going down to Charante/Dordogne 19th Oct to 31st. Taking the winch and trying out a new site, with two 600m grass runways dedicated paragliding/paramotoring field. Place called Villebois. Staying at John Cooper's gite in Combiers. If anyone fancies a trail blazing trip to fly the plains and extend the season I have some places in the car. Travel cost would be £100 including ferry (overnight) and accommodation is 32.50 a night in a shared room, self catering or meals extra. No charge for the winching (except shared petrol to run it) as this is a setting-it-up trip. If it works we will be offering it as a flying holiday venue next year for individuals, groups and schools/guides. I was there in August and it was phenomenal with good lift every day from 10:30 onwards!! Flew every day for two weeks. Will also be taking paramotors and can offer paramotor conversion training during the 10 days we are there. Sorry no hang gliders this time as I am only experienced in PG winching. If you don't have a tow rating we can do your training and sign you off. Andy Shaw may use this venue for his Thermal Chasers and may join us later in the week if so he is a HG winchman. The venue is one hour from Dune de Pyla if you like that sort of thing.
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RE: [TVHGC Members] Plains thermalling trip to Dordogne, October.

Dear Francis,

Best wishes,

Martin Shaw

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Re: [TVHGC Members] TAG Farnborough and Collapses

I have just submitted my email and received this automatic reply back:

Thank you for responding to the Additional Consultation. Consultation runs from 10th August to 5th October. All responses will be analysed after closure and results published in Feedback Report C in due course. Please monitor www.consultation.tagfarnborough.com

The deadline is has definitely been extended to 2nd Nov so don't be alarmed...

I've copied my email below, but for obvious reasons please don't copy it verbatim:

To whom it concerns...

I am writing to object most strongly to your proposed airspace changes which will see a significant part of the airspace I fly through (I'm a paraglider pilot) en route to the south coast have its lower limit reduced from 5500' to 4500'. I have flown through this area on four occasions this year, and on the two occasions in August when cloudbase was at approx 5500' having to stay below 4500' for an extended period of time would have made the flight very difficult if not impossible. On the earlier two flights cloudbase was at about 4700-4800' so having to stay below 4500' would have still made the flight harder to do.

Of course, not only would it make our cross-country flights harder, it also has the effect of squashing all the traffic in an already busy stretch of airspace into a smaller volume, thus decreasing safety, and all this for a very modest increase in your "average per hour weekday" number of flights.

The screenshot below shows just how important this route is in a NW'ly wind, with paraglider pilots launching from Selsley Common near Stroud, Liddington near Swindon, and Combe Gibbet near Marlborough, all converging in the pinchpoint to the east of Southampton airspace.

I cannot see that there is any justification for such an extensive airspace grab, hence my objection.

Yours sincerely

On 26 September 2016 at 16:39, Nick smith <glidingnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

All,

I appreciate that this is clogging inboxes but it is important.

I intend to lead on the class g squeeze and that the reduction to 4500 ft is an effective closure of this route for all our members.

Could someone please put an effective and eloquent email together explaining that if this were a footpath on the ground it would not be so easy to shut. We have a right to roam that a few privileged people in bizjets should not take away for the sake of a more mellow descent or 2 mins less in the air!

Thanks,

Nick

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Sep 2016, at 16:32, Simon H <sheadford1@gmail.com> wrote:

Farnborough just won't go away quietly will it. I would love to know what (and who's) set of values leads them to think that this level of airspace grab is in any way justified. They want to be 'London Farnborough'... so let them join LAMP instead of setting themselves apart as some kind of special case. Dark (ie wealthy) forces are still afoot I suspect.

S

On 26 Sep 2016 16:15, "Michael Coupe" <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the link Nick. He had his hands everywhere to keep the glider above his head I think. It looks exaggerated because the brake lines are not routed through the pulleys.

The major error here of course was to take off, but he is one of the best acro pilots in the world, so perhaps he can get away with things the rest of us can't…

Mike

On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:48, Nick smith <glidingnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Firstly a short clip from youtube for you http://youtu.be/2a0hoBAYK3M. While this chap may have had his hands all over the place during and after launch he did the right thing after getting this full frontal and allowed the wing to recover and fly him away from the hill. He was also lucky to get no rotation. I had an asymmetric on full speedbar (proper pulley to pulley) which rotated me through 180 degrees while in Spain the other week. My SIV training in 2014 helped with my initial and follow up actions and I'm now booked in for another SIV course early next year. If anyone is interested in joining me on the course just let me know (it's fun, honest!).

Big sketch, fast recovery, happy man

youtu.be

I took a 100% full frontal collapse on a takeoff with 45 degree cross wind and very turbulent and strong conditions. Filmed by Vlad Magditch

Now, down to business…. FARNBOROUGH UPDATE

Act now to do your part in ensuring Farnborough don't stop us XC flying to the South Coast!!! Please, please write to them and tell them what you think of their proposals, whether your approach is well reasoned, emotional or just a plain rant let them know what you think. Every e-mail they receive will count in our favour, the closing date for your comments is 2 Nov. Use the format:

To: consultation@tagfarnborough.com

Subject: Airspace Consultation

Your Name

Your address

Your comments

I will be making a comment on behalf of the Club but I would value your input so please do call for a chat or e-mail me atsafety@tvhgc.co.uk .

The BHPA have sent this out, please read as much as you can in order to understand the issues:

TAG are still looking for considerable controlled airspace (CAS) around Farnborough. Their first consultation document (03Feb2014) and its two associated reports (29Aug2014 and 03Jul2015) have been joined by another consultation document. All four can be found on

www.consultation.tagfarnborough.com/consultation-documents/

This latest consultation closes on 02Nov2106, whether you responded to the previous consultation or not please consider doing so to this one.

An interesting study into the July 2015 proposal submitted by TAG to the CAA was carried out by FASVIG, whilst it doesn't mention our activities it details some interesting aspects on TAG's proposals. It can be found at

http://fasvig.org/fasvig-review-of-farnborough-acp

The BHPA will be responding again to TAG pretty much along the same lines as in 2014:

The CAS will be effectively closed to us thus limiting our flying
There is a complete lack of an assessment as to the implications for those aircraft that will be displaced from the proposed airspace
The number of aircraft remaining out of the CAS will increase collision risks for all in the surrounding Class G airspace
TAG's own figures talk of an "average per hour weekday" of currently 1.13 flights and 1.56 in 2019. This amount of CAS for so few movements is obscene and risks setting a precedent for other CAS applications
TAG's proposals should be integrated into the SE England CAS project (called LAMP), not tagged on afterwards

Many thanks, and I look forward to seeing you at the Swan next Wednesday (5 Oct).

Cheers,

Nick

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Re: [TVHGC Members] TAG Farnborough and Collapses

All,

I appreciate that this is clogging inboxed but it is important.

I intend to lead on the class g squeeze and that the reduction to 4500 ft is an effective closure of this route for all our members.

Could someone please put an effective and eloquent email together explaining that if this were a footpath on the ground it would not be so easy to shut. We have a right to roam that a few privileged people in bizjets should not take away for the sake of a more mellow descent or 2 mins less in the air!

Thanks,

Nick

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Sep 2016, at 16:32, Simon H <sheadford1@gmail.com> wrote:

Farnborough just won't go away quietly will it. I would love to know what (and who's) set of values leads them to think that this level of airspace grab is in any way justified. They want to be 'London Farnborough'... so let them join LAMP instead of setting themselves apart as some kind of special case. Dark (ie wealthy) forces are still afoot I suspect.

S

On 26 Sep 2016 16:15, "Michael Coupe" <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the link Nick. He had his hands everywhere to keep the glider above his head I think. It looks exaggerated because the brake lines are not routed through the pulleys.

The major error here of course was to take off, but he is one of the best acro pilots in the world, so perhaps he can get away with things the rest of us can't…

Mike

On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:48, Nick smith <glidingnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Firstly a short clip from youtube for you http://youtu.be/2a0hoBAYK3M. While this chap may have had his hands all over the place during and after launch he did the right thing after getting this full frontal and allowed the wing to recover and fly him away from the hill. He was also lucky to get no rotation. I had an asymmetric on full speedbar (proper pulley to pulley) which rotated me through 180 degrees while in Spain the other week. My SIV training in 2014 helped with my initial and follow up actions and I'm now booked in for another SIV course early next year. If anyone is interested in joining me on the course just let me know (it's fun, honest!).

Big sketch, fast recovery, happy man

youtu.be

I took a 100% full frontal collapse on a takeoff with 45 degree cross wind and very turbulent and strong conditions. Filmed by Vlad Magditch

Now, down to business…. FARNBOROUGH UPDATE

Act now to do your part in ensuring Farnborough don't stop us XC flying to the South Coast!!! Please, please write to them and tell them what you think of their proposals, whether your approach is well reasoned, emotional or just a plain rant let them know what you think. Every e-mail they receive will count in our favour, the closing date for your comments is 2 Nov. Use the format:

To: consultation@tagfarnborough.com

Subject: Airspace Consultation

Your Name

Your address

Your comments

I will be making a comment on behalf of the Club but I would value your input so please do call for a chat or e-mail me atsafety@tvhgc.co.uk .

The BHPA have sent this out, please read as much as you can in order to understand the issues:

TAG are still looking for considerable controlled airspace (CAS) around Farnborough. Their first consultation document (03Feb2014) and its two associated reports (29Aug2014 and 03Jul2015) have been joined by another consultation document. All four can be found on

www.consultation.tagfarnborough.com/consultation-documents/

This latest consultation closes on 02Nov2106, whether you responded to the previous consultation or not please consider doing so to this one.

An interesting study into the July 2015 proposal submitted by TAG to the CAA was carried out by FASVIG, whilst it doesn't mention our activities it details some interesting aspects on TAG's proposals. It can be found at

http://fasvig.org/fasvig-review-of-farnborough-acp

The BHPA will be responding again to TAG pretty much along the same lines as in 2014:

The CAS will be effectively closed to us thus limiting our flying
There is a complete lack of an assessment as to the implications for those aircraft that will be displaced from the proposed airspace
The number of aircraft remaining out of the CAS will increase collision risks for all in the surrounding Class G airspace
TAG's own figures talk of an "average per hour weekday" of currently 1.13 flights and 1.56 in 2019. This amount of CAS for so few movements is obscene and risks setting a precedent for other CAS applications
TAG's proposals should be integrated into the SE England CAS project (called LAMP), not tagged on afterwards

Many thanks, and I look forward to seeing you at the Swan next Wednesday (5 Oct).

Cheers,

Nick

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Re: [TVHGC Members] TAG Farnborough and Collapses

Farnborough just won't go away quietly will it. I would love to know what (and who's) set of values leads them to think that this level of airspace grab is in any way justified. They want to be 'London Farnborough'... so let them join LAMP instead of setting themselves apart as some kind of special case. Dark (ie wealthy) forces are still afoot I suspect.

On 26 Sep 2016 16:15, "Michael Coupe" <mcoupe71@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the link Nick. He had his hands everywhere to keep the glider above his head I think. It looks exaggerated because the brake lines are not routed through the pulleys.

The major error here of course was to take off, but he is one of the best acro pilots in the world, so perhaps he can get away with things the rest of us can't…

Mike

On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:48, Nick smith <glidingnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Firstly a short clip from youtube for you http://youtu.be/2a0hoBAYK3M. While this chap may have had his hands all over the place during and after launch he did the right thing after getting this full frontal and allowed the wing to recover and fly him away from the hill. He was also lucky to get no rotation. I had an asymmetric on full speedbar (proper pulley to pulley) which rotated me through 180 degrees while in Spain the other week. My SIV training in 2014 helped with my initial and follow up actions and I'm now booked in for another SIV course early next year. If anyone is interested in joining me on the course just let me know (it's fun, honest!).
Big sketch, fast recovery, happy man
youtu.be
I took a 100% full frontal collapse on a takeoff with 45 degree cross wind and very turbulent and strong conditions. Filmed by Vlad Magditch
Now, down to business…. FARNBOROUGH UPDATE

Act now to do your part in ensuring Farnborough don't stop us XC flying to the South Coast!!! Please, please write to them and tell them what you think of their proposals, whether your approach is well reasoned, emotional or just a plain rant let them know what you think. Every e-mail they receive will count in our favour, the closing date for your comments is 2 Nov. Use the format:

To: consultation@tagfarnborough.com

Subject: Airspace Consultation
Your Name
Your address
Your comments

I will be making a comment on behalf of the Club but I would value your input so please do call for a chat or e-mail me atsafety@tvhgc.co.uk .

The BHPA have sent this out, please read as much as you can in order to understand the issues:

TAG are still looking for considerable controlled airspace (CAS) around Farnborough. Their first consultation document (03Feb2014) and its two associated reports (29Aug2014 and 03Jul2015) have been joined by another consultation document. All four can be found on
www.consultation.tagfarnborough.com/consultation-documents/
This latest consultation closes on 02Nov2106, whether you responded to the previous consultation or not please consider doing so to this one.
An interesting study into the July 2015 proposal submitted by TAG to the CAA was carried out by FASVIG, whilst it doesn't mention our activities it details some interesting aspects on TAG's proposals. It can be found at
http://fasvig.org/fasvig-review-of-farnborough-acp
The BHPA will be responding again to TAG pretty much along the same lines as in 2014:
The CAS will be effectively closed to us thus limiting our flying
There is a complete lack of an assessment as to the implications for those aircraft that will be displaced from the proposed airspace
The number of aircraft remaining out of the CAS will increase collision risks for all in the surrounding Class G airspace
TAG's own figures talk of an "average per hour weekday" of currently 1.13 flights and 1.56 in 2019. This amount of CAS for so few movements is obscene and risks setting a precedent for other CAS applications
TAG's proposals should be integrated into the SE England CAS project (called LAMP), not tagged on afterwards

Many thanks, and I look forward to seeing you at the Swan next Wednesday (5 Oct).
Cheers,
Nick
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