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29 Eylül 2015 Salı

RE: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league

Hi Martin

thanks for your information.

I understand that it is a kind of legal issue.

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:03:51 +0100
Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league
From: m1rt2n@hotmail.com
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com

Hi just a clarification. It is not the BHPA that imposes this restriction, it is the XCLeage. The same request to remove the restriction has be made and discussed and infinitum and always refused with the cited reason that the league is evidence of our sport strictly adhering to the air law and any loosening of the requirements would erode our ability to prove our adherence to air law. Cheers

On 28 Sep 2015 11:43, Marc M <marcfrm@hotmail.fr> wrote:

Hi

I meet one of the developers of the LK8000.
On a Kono (kindle like) hardware (connected to an external GPS), it runs an application that displays the map, speed and all kind of paragliding information.

The LK8000 is able to sign the GPS tracks.
It uses a "private" key (this is a private seed of a standard Linux MD5 hash).
The LK8000 provides to the FFVL (and other paragliding bodies) a separate program (Linux I think) that is able to validate a signed GPS track.

Problem: the LK8000 source code is open source, so with a careful reading of the C code, it is possible to read the "private" key and potentially forge a valid GPS trace.
The FFVL is aware of this potential "security" issue, but does not see it as blocking. Rational: someone that can read the source code and forge a valid GPS trace, is potentially able to forge the GPS messages on the serial line going to the LK8000 and therefore build a fake GPS track.
According to the developer I talk to, most of the paragliding national bodies, understand this limitation and accept it.

Only the BHPA (and 2 other countries) refuse to accept a signed GPS track generated from an open source device where the secret key can be found in the source code.

As a workaround, the LK8000 development team added a binary plug-in (i.e. not in open source) that contain the private key and sign the track for the UK league.

So the question (for Richard, or anyone in the UK paragliding league): would it be possible to speak with the BPHA/UK paragliding league to lift this restriction and accept that the private key that sign the GPS track is "visible" in the source code of the open source device ?

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RE: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league

Hi Nick

thanks for your Email.

I will forward your response to Bruno DE LACHEISSERIE .

The LK8000 version I was talking about is indeed running on a Kobo.

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:47:49 +0100
Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league
From: nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com

Hi Marc,

I'm no expert on this and its probably worth discussing it directly with the UK PG XCL team. There has been many debates on this subject on all the forums so without wanting to start another tread have a read through "UK Paragliding XC news" and "British Paragliding Competitions" Facebook pages and you'll find some threads on the subject.

As I understand it there are a variety of reasons UK PG XCL don't permit tracks from XCSoar or Kobo LK8000 and one of those reasons is down to the 'open source code' and the keys meaning anyone with a bit of knowledge could alter the track data after the flight for whatever reason. So unless something has changed and the devices have been made more secure I can't see the position with XCL and other competition organisers changing.

"On a Kono (kindle like) hardware"

Do you mean the Kobo? yes LK8000 works on the Kobo thanks to the work of Bruno since January 2015 and all the alpha/beta testing that's been going on. I've been using it throughout the season and apart from a few issues its a nice tool and pretty close to the full WinCE version that I use to use on the Vertica V2.

WinCE version

In terms of the XCL and the signed logs the WinCE version use to have a separate 'non open source' DDL program available which was used to sign the file. This meant that LK8000 could be kept open source and only the bits relevant to the signing process was secured. That used to be okay with UK XCL.

However I don't know the status of the WinCE version of the DDL any longer as I thought it stopped as there was a push back from CIVL due to the use of keys and that meant the project could no longer use it. However I see on the LK8000 website there is no longer any mention of that so maybe they have resolved the dispute.

Kobo version

In terms of the Kobo (Linux) version similar to XCsoar on the Kobo as I understand it there isn't as yet a separate program as there is with the LK8000 WinCE version 'that isn't open source' handling the signing process and containing the keys. So as you say its all publicly available unlike other dedicated 'non open' GPS units. However if you know Bruno has now developed something to deal with this then its worth speaking with the UK XCL.

Cheers,

Nik.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Marc M <marcfrm@hotmail.fr> wrote:

Hi

I meet one of the developers of the LK8000.
On a Kono (kindle like) hardware (connected to an external GPS), it runs an application that displays the map, speed and all kind of paragliding information.

The LK8000 is able to sign the GPS tracks.
It uses a "private" key (this is a private seed of a standard Linux MD5 hash).
The LK8000 provides to the FFVL (and other paragliding bodies) a separate program (Linux I think) that is able to validate a signed GPS track.

Problem: the LK8000 source code is open source, so with a careful reading of the C code, it is possible to read the "private" key and potentially forge a valid GPS trace.
The FFVL is aware of this potential "security" issue, but does not see it as blocking. Rational: someone that can read the source code and forge a valid GPS trace, is potentially able to forge the GPS messages on the serial line going to the LK8000 and therefore build a fake GPS track.
According to the developer I talk to, most of the paragliding national bodies, understand this limitation and accept it.

Only the BHPA (and 2 other countries) refuse to accept a signed GPS track generated from an open source device where the secret key can be found in the source code.

As a workaround, the LK8000 development team added a binary plug-in (i.e. not in open source) that contain the private key and sign the track for the UK league.

So the question (for Richard, or anyone in the UK paragliding league): would it be possible to speak with the BPHA/UK paragliding league to lift this restriction and accept that the private key that sign the GPS track is "visible" in the source code of the open source device ?

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Re: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league

Hi Marc,

"On a Kono (kindle like) hardware"

WinCE version

Kobo version

Cheers,

Nik.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Marc M <marcfrm@hotmail.fr> wrote:

Hi

I meet one of the developers of the LK8000.
On a Kono (kindle like) hardware (connected to an external GPS), it runs an application that displays the map, speed and all kind of paragliding information.

The LK8000 is able to sign the GPS tracks.
It uses a "private" key (this is a private seed of a standard Linux MD5 hash).
The LK8000 provides to the FFVL (and other paragliding bodies) a separate program (Linux I think) that is able to validate a signed GPS track.

Problem: the LK8000 source code is open source, so with a careful reading of the C code, it is possible to read the "private" key and potentially forge a valid GPS trace.
The FFVL is aware of this potential "security" issue, but does not see it as blocking. Rational: someone that can read the source code and forge a valid GPS trace, is potentially able to forge the GPS messages on the serial line going to the LK8000 and therefore build a fake GPS track.
According to the developer I talk to, most of the paragliding national bodies, understand this limitation and accept it.

Only the BHPA (and 2 other countries) refuse to accept a signed GPS track generated from an open source device where the secret key can be found in the source code.

As a workaround, the LK8000 development team added a binary plug-in (i.e. not in open source) that contain the private key and sign the track for the UK league.

So the question (for Richard, or anyone in the UK paragliding league): would it be possible to speak with the BPHA/UK paragliding league to lift this restriction and accept that the private key that sign the GPS track is "visible" in the source code of the open source device ?

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28 Eylül 2015 Pazartesi

Re: [TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league

On 28 Sep 2015 11:43, Marc M <marcfrm@hotmail.fr> wrote:

Hi

I meet one of the developers of the LK8000.
On a Kono (kindle like) hardware (connected to an external GPS), it runs an application that displays the map, speed and all kind of paragliding information.

The LK8000 is able to sign the GPS tracks.
It uses a "private" key (this is a private seed of a standard Linux MD5 hash).
The LK8000 provides to the FFVL (and other paragliding bodies) a separate program (Linux I think) that is able to validate a signed GPS track.

Problem: the LK8000 source code is open source, so with a careful reading of the C code, it is possible to read the "private" key and potentially forge a valid GPS trace.
The FFVL is aware of this potential "security" issue, but does not see it as blocking. Rational: someone that can read the source code and forge a valid GPS trace, is potentially able to forge the GPS messages on the serial line going to the LK8000 and therefore build a fake GPS track.
According to the developer I talk to, most of the paragliding national bodies, understand this limitation and accept it.

Only the BHPA (and 2 other countries) refuse to accept a signed GPS track generated from an open source device where the secret key can be found in the source code.

As a workaround, the LK8000 development team added a binary plug-in (i.e. not in open source) that contain the private key and sign the track for the UK league.

So the question (for Richard, or anyone in the UK paragliding league): would it be possible to speak with the BPHA/UK paragliding league to lift this restriction and accept that the private key that sign the GPS track is "visible" in the source code of the open source device ?

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[TVHGC Members] question for Richard or someone from the UK league

I meet one of the developers of the LK8000.

On a Kono (kindle like) hardware (connected to an external GPS), it runs an application that displays the map, speed and all kind of paragliding information.

The LK8000 is able to sign the GPS tracks.

It uses a "private" key (this is a private seed of a standard Linux MD5 hash).

The LK8000 provides to the FFVL (and other paragliding bodies) a separate program (Linux I think) that is able to validate a signed GPS track.

Problem: the LK8000 source code is open source, so with a careful reading of the C code, it is possible to read the "private" key and potentially forge a valid GPS trace.

The FFVL is aware of this potential "security" issue, but does not see it as blocking. Rational: someone that can read the source code and forge a valid GPS trace, is potentially able to forge the GPS messages on the serial line going to the LK8000 and therefore build a fake GPS track.

According to the developer I talk to, most of the paragliding national bodies, understand this limitation and accept it.

Only the BHPA (and 2 other countries) refuse to accept a signed GPS track generated from an open source device where the secret key can be found in the source code.

As a workaround, the LK8000 development team added a binary plug-in (i.e. not in open source) that contain the private key and sign the track for the UK league.

So the question (for Richard, or anyone in the UK paragliding league): would it be possible to speak with the BPHA/UK paragliding league to lift this restriction and accept that the private key that sign the GPS track is "visible" in the source code of the open source device ?

21 Eylül 2015 Pazartesi

RE: [TVHGC Members] TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour - October 2015

Due to me moaning about the early start, Nik has kindly allowed us an extra half hour in bed…08:30 start time. :-)

From: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nik Valiris
Sent: 21 September 2015 16:16
To: tvhgc_members@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TVHGC Members] TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour - October 2015

TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour Autumn 2015 - planning interim date of Sunday 18/10/2015!!! This year!

This is a great fun event with a hike around taking in the TVHGC sites with full site briefings and a bit on the history. It's a great event for new CPs to meet each other and we will have several coaches available to chat. This is your chance to get first hand site information and club updates as we go. We have lunch in the famous Barge Inn near Milk Hill.

We all need cars to drive in convoy with everyone, however many of the sites are nearby and we walk so a good pair of boots and sense of humor is required ;-) If you can car share that's better to avoid a big convoy.

It's subject to weather and if its flyable and folks want to do that instead, we can always reorganise another time.

To register and go please add your names to the list on the following spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwmadS2I5pabgjQnyByFct8gzLyjaKSuXHwp_c_q7do/edit?usp=sharing

Maps:

https://goo.gl/maps/9qafJyChetD2

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z4iijvMxf_7E.kV3dGlCThi40&usp=sharing

Things to bring:

Warm outdoor clothing and raincoat
Drinks, water etc.
Rucksack or similar is useful but not essential
Good boots to walk in
Questions to ask

Itinerary:

0800 - Meeting at the bottom barn near Milk Hill (see map) between 0800-0900
0900 - START -Walk to Milk Hill
0940 - Walk to Milk Hill White Horse
1020 - Walk to Tan Hill
1120 - Walk to Rybury
http://www.the-barge-inn.com/index.php 1200 - Drive to Barge Inn for Lunch
1220 - Lunch
1400 - Drive to Golden Ball
1500 - Drive to Liddington
1530 - Drive to Sugar (or Uffington subject to time)
1630 - Drive to Combe Gibbet, then finish for 17:00

Message me for more details if you like.

Nik Valiris

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[TVHGC Members] Re: TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour - October 2015

Note the meet-up time has changed to 8.30am to help those traveling to this event and we aim to start the walk up Milk by 9.00am sharp. ;-)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour Autumn 2015 - planning interim date of Sunday 18/10/2015!!! This year!

This is a great fun event with a hike around taking in the TVHGC sites with full site briefings and a bit on the history. It's a great event for new CPs to meet each other and we will have several coaches available to chat. This is your chance to get first hand site information and club updates as we go. We have lunch in the famous Barge Inn near Milk Hill.

We all need cars to drive in convoy with everyone, however many of the sites are nearby and we walk so a good pair of boots and sense of humor is required ;-) If you can car share that's better to avoid a big convoy.

It's subject to weather and if its flyable and folks want to do that instead, we can always reorganise another time.

To register and go please add your names to the list on the following spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwmadS2I5pabgjQnyByFct8gzLyjaKSuXHwp_c_q7do/edit?usp=sharing

Maps:

https://goo.gl/maps/9qafJyChetD2

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z4iijvMxf_7E.kV3dGlCThi40&usp=sharing

Things to bring:
Warm outdoor clothing and raincoat
Drinks, water etc.
Rucksack or similar is useful but not essential
Good boots to walk in
Questions to ask

Itinerary:

0830 - Meeting at the bottom barn near Milk Hill (see map) between 0830-0900. Start is 9.00am sharp.
0900 - Start the tour with the Walk to Milk Hill
0940 - Walk to Milk Hill White Horse
1020 - Walk to Tan Hill
1120 - Walk to Rybury
http://www.the-barge-inn.com/index.php 1200 - Drive to Barge Inn for Lunch
1220 - Lunch
1400 - Drive to Golden Ball
1500 - Drive to Liddington
1530 - Drive to Sugar (or Uffington subject to time)
1630 - Drive to Combe Gibbet, then finish for 17:00

Message me for more details if you like.

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Email: nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk | nik.valiris@gmail.com

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[TVHGC Members] TVHGC Site Hike and Drive Tour - October 2015

Warm outdoor clothing and raincoat
Drinks, water etc.
Rucksack or similar is useful but not essential
Good boots to walk in
Questions to ask

Message me for more details if you like.

Nik Valiris

Chief Coach Thames Valley Hang Gliding Club

Mob: 07549 527301

Email: nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk | nik.valiris@gmail.com

Web: www.facebook.com/valiris

18 Eylül 2015 Cuma

Re: [TVHGC Members] Telegram

Thanks Chris

> On 18 Sep 2015, at 10:19, Chris Williams <chr15williams@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] Telegram
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> One for flying reports please.
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>> Which one, Miles? There are three.
>>
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>> Can somebody add me back to TV telegram group please.
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>> Ta
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RE: [TVHGC Members] Telegram

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AlBTfABntWxrXNGUXKQi8w

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On Behalf Of Miles Radcliffe
Sent: 18 September 2015 10:02
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Subject: Re: [TVHGC Members] Telegram

One for flying reports please.

> On 18 Sep 2015, at 09:48, Chris Williams <chr15williams@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>
> Which one, Miles? There are three.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Miles Radcliffe
> Sent: 18 September 2015 08:17
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> Subject: [TVHGC Members] Telegram
>
> Can somebody add me back to TV telegram group please.
>
> Ta
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Re: [TVHGC Members] Telegram

One for flying reports please.

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> Which one, Miles? There are three.
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> Can somebody add me back to TV telegram group please.
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RE: [TVHGC Members] Telegram

Which one, Miles? There are three.

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Can somebody add me back to TV telegram group please.

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Can somebody add me back to TV telegram group please.

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Re: [TVHGC Members] Re: Fwd: Avon Coach Course

Woooh. Easy tiger! ;-)

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Have you seen my SAAB recently ;-)

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On 9 September 2015 at 10:51, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Chuckle ;-)
I've tried it again and 'become a l' which was a typo but brings up 'lubricant' ....

Must be a word you type frequently... ;^)

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Re: [TVHGC Members] Re: Fwd: Avon Coach Course

Makes perfect sense to me. Oils the wheels of the training programme ?
Eases the passage of the inexperienced into the club?
Sid James RIP

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On 8 September 2015 at 23:27, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ignore the phone predictive text :-) sounds fun though.

club > lubricant...

Guess that's just about believable :-)

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Re: [TVHGC Members] Re: Fwd: Avon Coach Course

Have you seen my SAAB recently ;-)

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Tim Pentreath <tim.pentreath@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9 September 2015 at 10:51, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Chuckle ;-)
I've tried it again and 'become a l' which was a typo but brings up 'lubricant' ....

Must be a word you type frequently... ;^)

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On 9 September 2015 at 10:51, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Chuckle ;-)
I've tried it again and 'become a l' which was a typo but brings up 'lubricant' ....

Must be a word you type frequently... ;^)

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Re: [TVHGC Members] Re: Fwd: Avon Coach Course

Chuckle ;-)

I've tried it again and 'become a l' which was a typo but brings up 'lubricant' .... nice of Samsung to suggest that I thought.

However I do draw a line at lubricating new CPs under the coaching scheme but in a metaphorical sense.

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On 8 September 2015 at 23:27, Nik Valiris <nik.valiris@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ignore the phone predictive text :-) sounds fun though.

club > lubricant...

Guess that's just about believable :-)

Tim

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